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10/14/2011 11:36 AM
 

Hello All,

I purchased an iFly awhile back but returned it within the 30 day period (due to a conflict that would keep me from flying for several months), but I recently have been lurking on the forums here and anxiously wanted to purchase another unit...and I did so this morning! I can't wait to start using it again, loved it for the short time I had it originally...

I've been keeping an eye out for the Version 6 release and beta info, etc, and now that it's out I've also been contemplating purchasing a PCAS unit as well to combine with the iFly for traffic information (and weather, if offered too). I see that many are jumping onto the Radena bandwagon...is it the only one found to be compatible so far (I know Walter and the gang are diligent workers), and does it offer both traffic and weather information? How about the Zaon product line - has anyone looked into those as well (the XRX that is, the MRX doesn't have an output capability though I have seen it in action and like it)? Any other offerings we should be considering?

I live just north of the Dallas/Fort Worth Class B and fly all around the area, so traffic would come in handy for sure; weather can be unpredictable in this region of the U.S. too, but if a unit only has traffic and not weather (I believe Zaon is only traffic) that wouldn't be a total loss. Also, if I did purchase a unit that hasn't been fully vetted yet, how would one become a beta tester per se for the iFly?

Thanks in advance,

Bobby

 
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10/14/2011 3:44 PM
 

Bobby:

I am not an AP employee, only another owner/user, and I don't want to preempt any response from them, but here are some quick answers to your questions.

1. Presently iFly 700 does not support PCAS (Zaon) units, however Walter has said it is AP's intention to support a host of devices in the future. No dates. FYI, Zaon is PCAS (traffic only), not ADS-B (weather and some traffic, depending on receiver or transceiver).

2. The Radenna Skyradar is the only ADS-B receiver that has been tested thus far by AP to work with the iFly. It was used during the development of software version 6 to display live weather and traffic (traffic depends on your ADS-B receiver/transceiver) on the iFly screen, using the free ADS-B uplink. Again, Walter says it is AP's intention to test other ADS-B receivers, like the Navworx, for compatibility. Patience, ver 6. just went operational a couple of week ago.

3. if you want to know the capabilities of ADS-B I suggest you browse the FAA web site and Radenna Skyradar's web site.http://skyradar.net/. Read about the Skyradar Receiver - don't be confused by their application - it's for an iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad.. We are using the iFly.

4. Texas does not have full ADS-B coverage yet, except in the Gulf area. See FAA coverage map at: http://www.faa.gov/nextgen/flashMap/i..... Let the page load, "Click to Begin" box, click on the "ADSB" button on the left, then the "EnRoute" button near the top right. The entire US is supposed to have ADS-B coverage by 2013.

5. After you become an owner of an iFly and register, there will be a link on the AP web site to submit an application to become a beta tester for future software developments..

The excellent support staff at AP may add or correct anything I have said. The product is absolutely great and keeps getting better, and the company is outstanding in every respect. Best regards. --Ralph

 
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10/14/2011 10:18 PM
 

Ralph,

Thanks for the reply. I should have clarified more, I understand that PCAS and ADS-B units are not one and the same, but can do similar functions such as traffic alerts. I can see how my wording sounded confusing. I'm concerned more with the traffic aspect of a PCAS or ADS-B unit than the weather, though both would be outstanding. I've been keeping up with the updates on Version 6 as well, as I purchased my original iFly back around April or May and was told in person in their office that ADS-B would soon be out of beta phase and compatible with various units. I've also seen several on here mentioning becoming beta testers for other non-approved PCAS and ADS-B units, so I was curious as to what headway had been made in those routes. Not complaining, the GPS is powerful enough as-is out of the box, but I don't want to jump in and buy an extra piece of traffic alert equipment only to find out I can't marry the two in the iFly display later. In reality, I was hoping that the "bugs" had been discovered in such that a strong "don't buy this unit" or "this other unit is difficult to make compatible", etc, instead of the more common "which other units have been tested to work OK", which is what I believe you thought I was asking.

Anyways, I appreciate the links to other info you included. I was under the impression that the DFW area already had some ADS-B coverage up and running (or so the FAA had told us)? Also, you mentioned that ADS-B is primarily "weather and some traffic", I've been hearing nothing but FAA and hardware officials touting the traffic capabilities of the system, and weather being a secondary afterthought - hence why I was lumping PCAS and ADS-B systems together since both are primarily traffic alert systems. New technology can be confusing sometimes, can't it? Guess we'll have to wait and see when it all is up and running what the realities of the system capabilities are. So long story short...does the Radena Skyradar provide traffic alert and SA, or is that why you repeatedly noted that ADS-B traffic "depends on the receiver/transceiver"? Is this also do to potential differences in units being in-data/receive only or both receive/transmit capable?

On a sidenote (for Walter, Shane, or other AP) I will be interested in doing beta testing if I do decide to buy a Zaon XRX PCAS unit...unless I'm convinced otherwise to throw my money into the group-buy for the Radena ADS-B unit (in that case, for whoever is leading the group-buy), then that's out the window for now. Any reason why I should go with one over the other? I guess this is more directed to my original post, having explained why I lumped the two systems together due to the traffic operations. Clear as mud, right? Thanks!

 
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10/19/2011 10:44 AM
 

Bobby,

We will definately keep you in mind for the Zaon testing when the time comes. At this time a full TCAS is the best option for traffic. Until all have the ADS-B in/out or transciever, you will only see partial traffic as reported by the 3rd party ADS-B device. The transmitter sends your location as to what traffic to pipe back out to you. This would then give you a 15 mile hockey puck, +/- 3000 feet. With only a receiver, you are seeing others traffic or Bravo traffic being pumped up to an area. You really need to be alert and careful to not depend on ADS-B traffic yet. I hope this helps.


Shane Woodson
Vice President | Adventure Pilot LLC.
 
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10/19/2011 4:56 PM
 
Shane wrote:

At this time a full TCAS is the best option for weather.


Shane: Did you mean to write TCAS is the best option for traffic?

 
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