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6/5/2021 8:19 PM
 

A few new user questions that I could not find answers to...

  1. What does "center aircraft no skew" setting do?  Could not find reference in the manual?
  2. What is the difference in enable auto taxi vs auto show airport diagrams?  The manual has a few typos here and really doesn't help.
  3. The flight plan update is not working between an iPad, iPhone and 740b on same network. Cellular off on both Apple devices. iPad is the one set up to share. I can see a box that says it is updating the new waypoint but other devices don't update. I can share settings so I know they are talking and they are all on same account. 
 
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6/6/2021 1:33 AM
 

I.  The "skew" in this case refers to the moving map shifting your ownship position closer to the edge of the map to put more of "what's in front of you" on the screen.  So, if your map was oriented north up, and you were heading north, your ownship would "skew" to the bottom of the screen so that more of the map "in front of you" would be visible.  (Note that this behavior only occurs when you are moving, not when you are stationary.)  "Center aircraft no skew" keeps your ownship fixed in the center of the map so that you can see an equal area of the map both in front of and behind your ownship.

This behavior is related to the "Auto Track Plane" setting (Menu > Setup > Map Options > Auto-Track Plane), which manages whether and after how long a delay iFly will automatically "snap back" to your ownship after you pan the map away from it.  If you have "Center aircraft no skew" selected, your ownship will be centered on the moving map when it auto snaps back (or when you tap the "recenter" button on the moving map page, which appears as a crosshair with a green dot when you pan away from the auto-track/centered position).  If you don't have that option checked, then when iFly returns to tracking your ownship, it will be skewed as I described to have your ownship nearer to an edge to present more of the map in the direction of your route of flight visible.

II.  "Auto show airport diagrams" has to do with the behavior of the map as you zoom down into airports on the screen:  One option is to always show the "RealView" (think Google Maps satellite view), but with "Auto show airport diagrams" selected, then if there's a Chart Supplement (A/FD) Airport Diagram available for an airport, that's what will be displayed at close-in zoom levels instead of the RealView image.  (For airports with no FAA Airport Diagram, the RealView image continues to be shown when zoomed in.)  

Auto Taxi is a different feature.  When enabled, then when iFly detects that you have landed at an airport, either the Airport Diagram (if available) or the RealView (if no Airport Diagram exists) will automatically pop up at full-screen zoom level so that you can see your ownship as it is taxiing.

III.  It sounds like you may be confusing the "Flight Plan Sharing" feature (a real-time direct device-to-device FP update capability, accessed (on the primary device) via Flight Plan > More Options > Share with Local Devices > Share Plan) with the "Sync Devices" data transfer feature (one-shot movement of chunks of data from one "source" device up to the iFly cloud in one operation, then down from the cloud to one or more "target" devices in a separate operation, accessed (on both the source and recipient devices) via Menu > Setup > Sync Devices...). 

For Flight Plan sharing, when you initiate that on the primary device, you'll see a pop-up within a few seconds on the secondary devices to confirm acceptance of the shared FP.  (This confirmation happens only when the real-time link is first established.  By default, subsequent changes made on the primary device will get automatically and silently pushed to the secondary device(s), though you can change this behavior by unchecking the "Auto-Share Changes" option before clicking the final "Share Plan" button.)  FP sharing does not involve the Internet--the devices only need to be on the same local network together, and data goes across that local network directly from one device to another.

For the other data upload/download function ("Sync devices"), the data transfers are not automatic or in real-time.  Any time you upload new data to the cloud from one device that you want to be distributed to other devices, you have to take specific action on those recipient devices to go grab the data from the cloud.  This obivously requires the device(s) involved to have internet access, since they have to reach out to the cloud (iFly servers).

Flight Plan sharing (real-time) is intended for devices on the same network that you want to stay in sync with the real-time flight plan over the course of a single flight (think a tablet on the pilot's yoke and in the copilot's lap).

Device syncing (data up/downloads via the iFly cloud) is intended to allow users to configure devices in the pre-flight environment with broader sets of user data (catalogs of stored flight plans, user-defined waypoints, etc.).  Think a home-based laptop PC and a tablet device used in the plane, or getting all the data off an older device that's being retired and transferring it over to a newer replacement device.

 
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6/6/2021 6:39 PM
 

Thanks Cobra.  I appreciate the input.

On 3.  I believe I understand the difference in flight plan sharing and device syncing.  I only mentioned the device syncing to note that the devices see one another and I can sync the setting on a private network without the cloud.  I thought that this would show the devices trust one another.

 

Back to the flight plan sharing.  On a private network, no internet.  I have my EchoUAT, the 740b, an iPad Mini 5 and an iphone 12.  Nothing else on the network.  Using the ipad as the primary, I create a flight plan and select the ipad to be the host device.  None of other devices show a pop up to accept the incomming flight plan.  Every time I make a change to the plan on the primary device, I see a message window updating the waypoint, but nothing on the 740b or iphone.  If I make the iphone primary, same thing happens.

 
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6/6/2021 10:57 PM
 
Cth wrote:

On 3.  I believe I understand the difference in flight plan sharing and device syncing.  I only mentioned the device syncing to note that the devices see one another and I can sync the setting on a private network without the cloud.  I thought that this would show the devices trust one another.

 

Back to the flight plan sharing.  On a private network, no internet.  I have my EchoUAT, the 740b, an iPad Mini 5 and an iphone 12.  Nothing else on the network.  Using the ipad as the primary, I create a flight plan and select the ipad to be the host device.  None of other devices show a pop up to accept the incomming flight plan.  Every time I make a change to the plan on the primary device, I see a message window updating the waypoint, but nothing on the 740b or iphone.  If I make the iphone primary, same thing happens.

Re: 3, with device synching, it's not important that the devices see one another.  It's important that each device can see the iFly servers across the Internet.  They don't even have to see the iFly servers at the same time:  You can upload data from one device on Monday, and then download those data to a different device on Tuesday, or next month, or next year.  Only Flight Plan sharing requires the devices be able to see each other across the same local network, so they can exchange data in real time.  Since those two functions work completely differently, having one function work does not guarantee that the other will.

Re: the Flight Plan, you say "Every time I make a change to the plan on the primary device, I see a message window updating the waypoint", but I don't understand what this means.  iFly has different ways of doing things and maybe you're using it in a way I'm unfamiliar with, but when I make changes to my flight plans I do it on the Flight Plan page, and I just see the changes without any "messages", so I'm not sure what you're seeing.  Could you be specific about what screen taps / button presses you're making so I can follow along and try to see what you're seeing?

 
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6/7/2021 7:05 AM
 

On the primary device, I create a flight plan.  In this case KORL KTPA.  After creating the plan under more options I share the flight plan. I make sure that auto share is checked (Picture Attached).  I then close the flight plan page to return to the map.  With in a second or two I will see I white pop up about the button bar that starts with "Share: IFR...."  (Picture Attached).  At this point I rubber band to add KLAL.  With in seconds I recieve another pop up. (Picture Attached).  This process happens every change and is repeatable.  During this time, the other devices on the network are just sitting there with no pop up or changees.

 

I have attempted to load the same base flight plan on each device.  Creating the KORL KTPA direct on the primary and saving it.  Sharing it to each device using the device sync.  Opening it on each device and then going back to the primary and starting to share changes to the flight plan.  Same outcome.  Primary device generates all of the pop ups and the other device just sit idle with the KORL KTPA direct plan.  

 

I can replicate this with any device as primary and letting the other devices listen.

 

I appreciate all of the help troubleshooting.

 
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