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8/19/2020 7:23 AM
 

Back to this topic, because it continues to be an issue.  Yesterday, I flew under the Atlanta Class B airspace, at a steady altitude of 2200ft, which is ~1300ft AGL.  The 740B was configured with no flight plan, since I was just sightseeing.  Even though my "alerting off when approaching..." setting was set to "planned airports only", every time I flew within a few miles of an airport, even a small private grass strip, I got the "Alerting Off - Approaching Airport" message. 

This happened at least five times, so basically the entire time I was under a very busy Class B airspace, the iFly was intermittently disabling alerts.  I really don't think this is expected (or reasonable) behavior.  The previous explanation for this behavior is "you were low so it thought you were landing"...but at 300ft above TPA, why would it think I'm landing?  What is the threshold?  I don't think it's too much to ask that when I tell the device to keep giving alerts for all airports except planned airports, that it does so, even right down to the ground.

 
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8/19/2020 8:45 AM
 
Don Maxwell wrote:

I think FlightAware is quite reliable nowadays. Also, it gets its data from many sources. iFly (or any other in-flight display) gets data from many fewer sources. Right now, for example, I'm comparing FlightAware on my iPhone with what iFly is displaying on a Windows tablet/laptop sitting on my desk, receiving ADS-B with a Ping ADS-B receiver (that I bought from Adventure Pilot a few years ago) and GPS from a little GPS/GLONASS dongle. iFly shows NO traffic whatsoever just now; FlightAware, on the other hand, shows 22 aircraft, one of them about 5 miles from me at 15,000 feet. All of the distances in iFly are set to Unlimited. Granted, it's indoors, but a few hours ago, when conditions were better, the iFly was displaying 5 aircraft--so it really does work.  Just not nearly as well as FlightAware.

 

All right, all right. I'll amend what I said there. Yesterday I flew 3.5 hours in a rough orbit around Richmond, VA--north from KFCI to the downtown area, then westward about 40 miles, then north to Lake Anna, northeast to the Potomac River and along it to the Chesapeake Bay, then south over the Bay for a while, and turning southwest to the James River about 30 miles east of Hopewell, and finally back to KFCI, with several water landings along the way. Here's FlightAware's woeful take on it:

For about 3/4 of the flight I was in company of another SeaRey, and for about half of that time I was "seeing" it on the iFly 740--so FlightAware's lapses don't coincide with the ADS-B coverage.

Granted, we were flying rather low over the water--and ON it now and then. But we were at about 1000 feet AGL most of the time between waterways. Whatever the reason(s), this isn't acceptable for flight safety. It's merely amusement. (And it doesn't make me comfortable with the thought of ADS-B warnings of drone flights up to 400 ft AGL, either, although that's probably a different topic.)

 
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8/19/2020 9:10 AM
 

Interesting info Don.  Thanks for the update.

Sounds like you guys had a fun flight!  There's a SeaRey at my home airport, they are super cool airplanes.

 
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8/19/2020 8:05 PM
 
FlyingMonkey wrote:

Back to this topic, because it continues to be an issue.  Yesterday, I flew under the Atlanta Class B airspace, at a steady altitude of 2200ft, which is ~1300ft AGL.  The 740B was configured with no flight plan, since I was just sightseeing.  Even though my "alerting off when approaching..." setting was set to "planned airports only", every time I flew within a few miles of an airport, even a small private grass strip, I got the "Alerting Off - Approaching Airport" message. 

This happened at least five times, so basically the entire time I was under a very busy Class B airspace, the iFly was intermittently disabling alerts.  I really don't think this is expected (or reasonable) behavior.  The previous explanation for this behavior is "you were low so it thought you were landing"...but at 300ft above TPA, why would it think I'm landing?  What is the threshold?  I don't think it's too much to ask that when I tell the device to keep giving alerts for all airports except planned airports, that it does so, even right down to the ground.

Just A SWAG, but I'm wondering if it defaulted to no alerts for any airports since you did not have a flight plan, therefore no 'planned airport'.

 
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8/19/2020 8:51 PM
 
Don Maxwell wrote:
For about 3/4 of the flight I was in company of another SeaRey, and for about half of that time I was "seeing" it on the iFly 740--so FlightAware's lapses don't coincide with the ADS-B coverage.

Not exactly sure what point you're trying to make, there.  You were almost certainly receiving your company's signal directly from his transmitter, without any involvement of the FAA's ground network.  You being able to receive another plane's line-of-sight transmission in the air says nothing about a ground antenna's ability to receive that same signal.

I know you are unhappy with your experience of ADSB in your aircraft, but I think at least some of your experience is just a fact of life when flying at low altitudes, because of a combination of the laws of physics and the limitations of ground-based antenna grids.  When other aircraft are within line-of-sight, and if you guys are equipped so you can receive each others' signals, then you'll see each other, even down low.  But the FAA and especially FlightAware may not see you when you're down in the weeds.

 
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